Michelle Obama has said repeatedly that she won’t run for office, but that hasn’t stopped popular podcast host Joe Rogan from saying that Obama would beat former President Donald Trump in a 2024 presidential election.  

On the Christmas Eve episode of his popular podcast The Joe Rogan Experience, he said he “really” believes she’d win, according to Newsweek.  

“She’s intelligent, she’s articulate, she’s the wife of the best president that we have had in our lifetime in terms of like a representative of intelligent, articulate people. She could win,” Rogan said.  

Over the years, Obama has said she doesn’t want to run for president and would rather live a normal life now that former President Barack Obama is out of office.  

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“What Barack and I talk about that we do miss … is the loss of anonymity,” Obama told Conan O’Brien in 2019. “And that’s something that most people don’t understand, how valuable anonymity is. Being able to blend into your environment, and not be the center of it, but just to observe it.”  

Rogan said that if she were to run she would have to reject “some of these policies that are destroying businesses in America, that are making people scared.”   

He also suggested that she team up with Vice President Kamala Harris for a “double dose of diversity.”  

Rogan won’t have much to worry about since the former first lady isn’t particularly fond of politics.  

“I’ve never had the passion for politics,” she said in 2018. “I just happened to be married to somebody who has the passion for politics, and he drug me kicking and screaming into the arena.”