Marc Lamont Hill, the upcoming BNC host, said that real justice for George Floyd would be him being alive and with his family.

Hill was a guest on George Floyd: Justice on Trial on Thursday to discuss the Derek Chauvin murder trial’s latest developments.

The author and activist said that he isn’t confident that Floyd’s family will receive justice, saying that he’s “never confident when it comes to the criminal legal system in the United States because we’ve never been given a reason to be confident.”

He added that there are things in the case that are encouraging, including the reinstated third-degree murder charge against Chauvin and the fact that there are Black people on the jury in a town that’s majority white.

He said that he isn’t sure if the police can be reformed in a way that’s beneficial to Black people and that there needs to be a reimagining of what justice looks like.

“Justice isn’t police going to jail for killing us,” Hill told Reed. “It’s police not killing us.”